Most of us start out on a career in music with the hope of "making it", but what does "making it" actually mean? Getting on the Radio One playlist ? Being signed to a major label? Playing Glastonbury? Having a Top 20 single?
These are all ways in which the Record Industry traditionally measures success, but Tom Robinson believes they can be a distraction from the real goal of a career in music: earning a living.
The day after playing Glastonbury, you still have to put food on the table. A year after your Top 20 single, there's still a mortgage to pay. In reality, many artists who tick these Record Industry boxes often need to keep working a day job to make ends meet.
In the end what most songwriters, musicians and producers truly long for is to work fulltime making music for an appreciative audience.
Steve Knightley has been doing exactly that for 27 years. His band Show Of Hands have sold out the Royal Albert Hall six times, toured the world and won multiple awards - while bypassing the traditional Record Industry completely.
In this session, drawing on their own first hand experiences, Steve and Tom set out a simple, down to earth approach towards actually earning a living from your music.